How to ID 1969-1970 Mustang Fastback Fold Down Seats

 

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69-70 fold down seats are nearly identical to the mid year 68 seats, but have some specific differences associated with the overall interior design change.  As stated on the 68 page, starting in mid 68 the trim around the latch is recessed but it has the same metal latch guide as was used starting in 67.  On the rear most panel, there is no chrome trim piece across the back edge.  The trap door is identical to 67-68, except it has no trim piece across the top, and no holes across the top either.

All of the fiberglass panels behind the inner quarter need to be changed out. If you are going to buy a fold down seat for 69-70, be sure to buy the fiberglass too.

As for the seats themselves, ie, the part that gets some foam cushion and upholstery, they are all the same. If you have non-fold down seat now, donít pay shipping to buy fold down seat cushions, the ones you have now will fit just fine.

As for the numbers, in 69 it got ugly, and 70 got even uglier.  69 saw production drop to 25%, and in 70 it dropped even further to 17%.  Wow, that's awful.  If you want to put a 69-70 seat in your car, you will either pay a premium for it, or settle for a modified 65-68 seat that is a little more prolific.

Pictures of all particular items follow...


Identifying features

All of these pictures are thumbnailed so that you can see the full resolution picture if you so choose.
 

 

Oval shaped seat support. This seat support is the same from 66-70.

 

This is the recessed trim with metal latch guide. This was used from mid-68-70.

 
Insert picture of original round rubber bumper

This is the round rubber bumper that was used starting in mid-68.  They are not available in reproduction, and the replacement part currently being sold for this application is the earlier boot shaped bumper pictured above.  I found that the round hood bumper is very close to the original bumper used for the fold down seat, but have chosen to use the replacement style.  The hood bumper has the same thread and bolt size, so you could use that if you choose.  Again, neither is exact or correct, so the choice is yours.

 

The rear most panel does not have a piece of chrome trim, just the catch for the trap door latch, and the carpet is folded over and stapled.

 
 

Bottom view of rear panel showing carpet folded over and stapled

 
 

These are the 69-70 latches.  Notice 2 things, the knob is shorter than that used for 67-68, and there are slotted mounting holes.  I have also seen mounting holes that are round on original 69-70 seats. 

 
 

This is the trap door hardware for 69-70.  Upper left are the hinges, they are the same as used for 67-68.  Upper right is the trap door prop rod, which is specific to 69-70.  Bottom left is the trap door prop rod bracket, also specific to 69-70.

 

 
 

This latch was also used in 1969 and 1970 on the bottom of the trap door.  Note that this latch as a loop shaped handle. 

 
 
 

70 without the chrome trim on rear panel.

Note the prop handle and the bracket for it mounted to the trunk lid hinge.

 
 

69-70 trap door without trim molding at the top.

 

 
     
  Now that we know the easily identifiable external features for 1967, lets take a look at what they look like underneath.  For many EBay listings or swap meets, you will find these panels disassembled with no carpet and no trim.   
     
 

Black is 1970, red is 1965. Same size, shape and contours except for the area around the hole for the latch.  The 1970 is recessed and has one extra screw hole for the metal latch guide. As pictured, the left screw hole for the latch guide replaces the left most trim screw.

 
 

Close up.
 

 
     
 

Stop bumper used from 66-70 (actually 73!!)

 
     
 

Hole is the 5/16-18 nut welded inside the frame for the stop bumper.

 
     
 

Rear panels are identical except for these mounting holes for the support plates. Top (blue) is for 65. Note the screw holes to the left edge for the rectangular shaped support plate. Bottom (brown) is for 66-70. Note the holes are moved inboard about two inches, and there is a triangle cut-out for the recess in the oval shaped support plate. You can also see on the carpet how the 65 had chrome trim across the back while the 70 this particular panel came from had just the trapdoor latch catch plate.

 
 

Close up of holes you would have to cut to use a 65 rear panel in 66-70. Notice that if you made this mod there would be no visible evidence that it had previously been a 65 panel once the carpet and oval plate is installed.

 
 

Rear side of both the 65 and 70 are literally identical. The same brackets are used to hold them in place (pictured to the right of the panels), and they both have the rubber bumper glued to the center of the panel (brown one has lost the rubber, but glue residue remains indicating its presence at some time).

 
   

 

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